Hasan Minhaj: What resonated with me as an artist is: play big. Why are you playing scared? Cook. You’re on the court. Cook. Let it fly, launch, like be loose. Do the impressions, do characters. That’s what my thing. That’s my goal. I want to be loose. I want to have fun.
In a different “My First Million” episode, Shaan talks about how the episode will be “all ideas, no frameworks, no mindset stuff”.
This interview with Hasan is the opposite: All mindset, frameworks, a couple ideas. Close to the end of the year and this might be my favorite episode from any podcast this year. (MAJOR recency bias, but still.)
Cook: Hasan uses a few basketball analogies and talks about preparation for shows. If you do the work and you really know you’ve done the work, the practice, the drills, then you can go out there with confidence. You know you can cook, so cook.
Reasonable: Hasan talks about the negative feeling in his gut when he read about pseudonyms in Shaan’s thread on web3/metaverse. (It’s one of the reasons they did this interview in the first place.) But they didn’t just say “Hey you’re an idiot” “No you don’t get it, you’re the idiot.” They talked their sides out knowing they don’t know everything and it’s worth hearing another perspective from someone you respect. Always good to see reasonable people disagreeing in today’s world.
Psuedonyms: Hasan did the work in comedy clubs, did the years on The Daily Show, rose up through a very difficult ladder. So it sucks to be attacked by anonymous trolls. Especially as those attacks have had more and more real world implications.
Hasan: “But for the first time in history, there are people that stand on stage that stand on the stage of business or life or comedy or art, and they use their actual government name. And then pseudonymous trolls who don’t use their government name, can launch digital drone strikes attacking you, your character, your family, that can then potentially impose economic sanctions upon your future. And they do it pseudonymously. Philosophically, I don’t rock with that.”
- Authenticity: Shaan points out that all of that traditional fame is still very valuable in ways that pseudonymous fame can’t approach.
Shaan: “I think basically the reason you get the rewards you get, are because of all these things as well. So by you going out there under your real name, with real face, with authenticity, telling your real life stories, which is what you do, right? You’re talking about fertility issues. You’re talking about stuff like that. You’re getting like bing, bing, bing. The score… the meter is just running up. Why? Because it’s in such scarcity today.”
Awareness: Near the end of the 2-hour episode, they comment on what the feedback for the episode will look like. Shaan mentions that people will say “People are gonna be pissed, by the way, they’re like “Dude you had on Hasan, you just talked about your own philosophy the whole fucking time?” “Shaan… you know you’re not the star of this, right?”. In this episode, there’s ample time for the conversation to breathe. Hasan and Shaan can both go deep.
Time: Speaking of time, Shaan does the “I want to be respectful of your time” podcast host thing and Hasan says he can stay on, nothing planned right after. Which makes it more believable when Hasan says he’s fairly independent. He’s not rolling around with an entourage from appointment to appointment.
Routines: Hasan always does a workout before a show: pull-ups, cardio, nothing too crazy. Something to get things moving inside. Shaan has been practicing a mindset routine and has it down to 10-minutes. At a certain point, Shaan realized that money is good, business success is good, but if you’re not in control of your own mindset then it doesn’t matter. Given that, mindset work became the most important skill to work on.
Hasan: On tour, it’s just about body maintenance. So I’ll do running, I’ll do some pull-ups, some core stuff. Just stuff to get my body going and start breaking a sweat. And what I love about like right around minute 30 to 45, I’ll get out of my head and into my body and so much of life right now, getting out of getting out of your head.
Seen: Hasan Minhaj is touring again. Shaan Puri went to his show and got the VIP treatment and they recorded this podcast in the days after that. Shaan asks what it’s like at the end of the show when you’re closing out and you’re standing on stage knowing you just killed.
Hasan: Every artist, and I think every human being… Whether it’s intimate relationships, personal relationships, collaborating and business, family dynamics, and hopefully your career: everybody wants to feel seen.
Last thing, Shaan with a $100 million mindset that costs $0.
Shaan: I want to be able to have as much fun, whether I’m in a mansion, having a feast with celebrities as if I’m stuck in an elevator by myself. Which means I don’t want to have to have some nice shit in order to feel good. I don’t want to have to have the circumstances be going my way for me to feel good.